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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby Noonan McKane » Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:09 pm

Hiya Chicken!
Great to hear from you again, old pal.

Financial crisis is starting to really tell over here. Big chunks of the UK's banking and lending sector has been taken 'under state control'. Effectively nationalised. Still, though, they (banks and building societies) are reluctant to lend to anyone. It's causing real resentment among people who are teetering on the brink of financial ruin, and who understandably are wondering why, when a bank is about to go bankrupt, the UK taxpayer is obliged to bail it out, but the arrangement doesn't seem to apply the other way around. Government is under real pressure to force them to start lending again. The UK economy is now 'officially' in recession, and it's difficult to see how any kind of stimulus, "artificial" or otherwise could possibly hurt, but the UK Treasury (Our current chancellor, Alistair Darling (yes, really) is useless, and won't be chancellor for long, I reckon) is determined that it knows what it's doing and we can tough it out. We'll see.

Glad to hear you're sticking with it, Chicken, and just keeping your head down and continuing to do your job. Not that I would have expected anything less from a professional person such as yourself.

Keep on keeping on, pal. That which does not kill us.... etc.
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby chicken » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:21 am

Noonan, you're great. Maybe not Constantine the Great, perhaps Constantine the Fifth :lol:

errrmm...so this week I've had three instances of tremendous synchronicity, and today was teaching Nirvana! i can't tell all of you how good it feels to be under pressure to extend the IQ of my lesson plans this early in the term--even the freshman students are impressing me in that crazy psych of religion class :D :ugeek: :ugeek:

the cold weather has broken here, today was merely jacket weather and if you could have seen the clouds this evening when i drove home!!
maybe i should be posting in the "life is stupidly crazily awesome" thread. :lol:
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby Noonan McKane » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:07 pm

chicken wrote:Noonan, you're great. Maybe not Constantine the Great, perhaps Constantine the Fifth :lol:

errrmm...so this week I've had three instances of tremendous synchronicity, and today was teaching Nirvana! i can't tell all of you how good it feels to be under pressure to extend the IQ of my lesson plans this early in the term--even the freshman students are impressing me in that crazy psych of religion class :D :ugeek: :ugeek:

the cold weather has broken here, today was merely jacket weather and if you could have seen the clouds this evening when i drove home!!
maybe i should be posting in the "life is stupidly crazily awesome" thread. :lol:


I'm not too familiar with the measurement of constantinism. Is constantine the fifth a fifth of the greatness of constantine the great? We're on the metric system over here remember..

Hey, I'm jokin'! You think I'm some uneducated oaf who doesn't know who Constantine the great was, huh? As if!

(No, but seriously, I've got it narrowed down to 3: He was the pope; he was the king of Turkey or it was an abandoned possible early title of the first Cocteau Twins album.....? Am I warm with any of those there then? Mmm?)
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby chicken » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:05 am

Noonan McKane wrote:I'm not too familiar with the measurement of constantinism. Is constantine the fifth a fifth of the greatness of constantine the great? We're on the metric system over here remember..

Hey, I'm jokin'! You think I'm some uneducated oaf who doesn't know who Constantine the great was, huh? As if!

(No, but seriously, I've got it narrowed down to 3: He was the pope; he was the king of Turkey or it was an abandoned possible early title of the first Cocteau Twins album.....? Am I warm with any of those there then? Mmm?)


Ok, Ok...I expect a brilliant satirical essay soon!
King of Turkey? abandoned Cocteau Twins album title? :lol:

:lol: :lol:


:lol:


too much.

I was merely trying to say Constantine the Great is just that. Most assuredly I'd vote for you being Noonan The Constantine.
I rather think that has a ring to it.



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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby elko » Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:58 pm

Cracked Pleasures wrote:Meanwhile I have made the switch from vegetarianism to veganism. I was lacto ovo vegetarian since I was 6 years old (and never liked cheese, for the record) and after 21 years decided to totally remove dairy from my menu. You could say my timing was unlucky in this winter :) but it is easier than it sounds. Granted, I never ate cheese with pleasure, but the hard parts are ignoring the Indian take away (all those curries contain butter), ice cream (contains milk unless it is sorbet) and pancakes (contains butter and sometimes cream). But, the feeling that I am doing what I think is morally right, helps a lot and I am so far resisting those dairy orientated plates with relative ease. I discovered a vegan restaurant which has excellent couscous, beans and vegetable dishes, and delicious vegan soups.


Nice! I have been vegan for maybe three or four months. You are right - it is much easier than people seem to imagine. The general response from the uninitiated seems to be "what do you eat?", to which the simple answer is....pretty much everything, expect for animal derived stuffs. Most Indian restaurants here are vegan (it's a way of life in a large part of India), and Chinese is okay too, except for egg fried rice and that kinda thing (assuming you love tofu as I do). The worst in fact is European food, especially on the continent it is very meat-centric, and the veggie option, if there is one, usually contains a dozen types of cheese.

Hullo Noonan. Are you of the opinion that the government actually needs to control these banks or at least use their shares to direct them, rather than the "arm's length" policy that have at the moment?
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby elko » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:01 pm

Oh, just another thing about veganism, it is very good for making you cook proper meals and buy more vegetables, because it isn't possible to rely as much on ready-made things, unless you have the money to get the specialist stuff from the health-food shops... which we don't. (Having said that my girlfriend works in Holland & Barrett - probably the largest health-food chain in the UK - so we get 25% off, and that is useful.)
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby Cracked Pleasures » Sat Feb 07, 2009 11:10 am

I often get that question too... "Oh you are vegan? What can you eat then if you don't want any butter or cheese?". People seem to think vegans rely on raw carrots and such :) And yes Elko, I LOVE tofu!! I often eat couscous salad in the local vegan restaurant, it is couscous with salad added + a sauce based on tofu without any dairy whatsoever. Delicious, simply delicious. Whenever visiting a Chinese restaurant I go for the fried vegetables with tofu dish, which is also totally vegan. I love Indian food as well and you can perfectly have vegan curry, however in the city I live in most Indian restaurants use butter for their curry :( The Lebanese restaurant is great for vegans as well, I often go there to eat vegetable dishes with Arab spices, or hummus dishes with chick peas, also completely vegan.

The annoying thing is the restaurant staff who, despite they are expected to be specialised in food, sometimes don't know the difference between vegetarian and vegan. I too often hear "yes it's vegan" but then when I ask if there is cheese or milk in it, the answer is "yes". Well sorry, but then it is not vegan! I more and more go to the same few restaurants where I know they really are vegan and knowing the distinction between vegetarian and vegan. For my shopping, I just always verify ingredients before buying, I learnt the Czech words for cheese, milk and butter by heart so I can simply check the ingredient list - I will only buy the can if the ingredients do not include any of those dairy terms. I am now trying to cook my own hummus at home, but I also try to be creative with vegetables by for example cooking spinach and then add peas or beans to it as side dish.

Elko, do you take vitamine B12 supplements? I know many vegans do it, I however have not taken any supplements yet.

Were you vegetarian prior to going vegan? If not, kudos to you because the switch is hard from omnivore to vegan I can imagine. I was vegetarian for 21 years prior to going vegan, so for me the change was not that drastic.
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby Noonan McKane » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:03 pm

Explain to me the philosophy of veganism. Because I'm slow.

I dig that vegetarians don't want to eat meat. I'm supposing the theory is if they can convince the entire world to do same, no more cattle will be killed for food. Fine. Following so far, but worry about connotations of cattle species breeding unfarmed, essentially surrended to the 'wild' again, wandering onto the railway and road, unsure of their place in the 'food chain'...

Cows and sheep would be extinct inside 50 years.
Veganism, though: We couldn't milk them, either?! Hells bells. Then they'll be even easier for 3 badgers to chase, trap and eat!

I don't think it's particularly a 'moral' decision, to not eat meat. I'd have to disagree with M, over "It's not natural, normal or kind" Natural? It's only bleedin' Darwinism in it's rawest form, is all. It's actually 'nature'. In any given group of 100 wild minks, there aren't 8 or 10 of them who stand around going "Have you ever considered the agony a field mouse suffers when you bite it in half and give your babies the best bit? No you don't!!! Field mice are minks, too, you know!!!" There just aren't. And 'normal?' The alternatively lifestyled don't tend to bandy the 'N' word around much, usually. But among almost all of humankind, eating meat is as 'normal' as the clock going from 12 round to 12 again.

However, if it's a flag you feel you must gather under, I've made you up a slogan:

"BabyBel! Rot In Hell! And Camembaert And Brie As Well!!!"

You could picket school canteens, with placards saying "The Almighty Will Judge YOU, Whores Of Dairylea"..

Mmmm. That's good stuff. I could really shout for these guys......
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby rubygirl » Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:41 am

Hello, people! :))))

So nice to come on here and see quite a few posts. :mrgreen:

I have the feeling you are doing fine. And so I am. Trying to cultivate within myself a different way of thinking, a more 'happening' kind, sofar, so good. hope it stays this way.

and I am progressing with my yoga practice, which is making me really happy 8)

About vegetarianism, I have been a vegetarian for more than 6 years now, but I still eat diary - in really small quontities, but still some. and yes, it is very difficult with food here too, restaurants and diners serve almost no veggie options - except for french fries and sometimes a meat-free pizza... But I am discovering new and very tasty vegetarian recipes every day and it's really giving me a thrill. :) Right now I am almost addicted to a pasta meal with zucchini, sweet corn and tomato juice.

A lot can be said - and argued - about the moral issues related to vegetarianism, but I certainly believe it is the healthier option and I am definitely healthier now than I was before. I think most people are too accustomed to the taste of meat and are not really aware of the other options, because our culture really teaches you to eat meat and there is huge industry that gains profits from meat products and tehir extensive use. Yes people have been eating meat for ages, but in much, much smaller quatities. And it was not prepared in such unhealthy ways.
Meat contains enzymes that make you feel full, meat gives you a lot of calories, most of them as fats, btw, that's why it was an evolutionary 'move' for people to add meat to their primary diet (based mosetly ot fruits and grains and nuts) - but it was never intended to become the main ingredient of our diet like it is today.
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby Noonan McKane » Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:52 am

What's it going to be then, eh?

It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.

Remember thy little Alex that was, O my brothers.

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I went ahead and did it just the same.

I love 'Nineteen Eighty Four' and I love 'A Clockwork Orange'. I just gave up reading fiction after them. It's all shite, really. George Orwell is just the greatest ever British writer, (if you count O. Wilde esq., of Chelsea, as a Mick) and could be as good as Dickens, Wilde, Shakespeare or the fu<king poet Milton, all in the same afternoon.

Become a reader of the works of George Orwell today! Now!

Everyone reads Nineteen Eighty Four at school, (world's greatest novel should, of course, be on the curriculum) and everyone reads 'Animal Farm' and sneers at it. But, outside of Nineteen Eighty Four in all of it's awesomeness, his best books are "Down And Out In Paris And London", which is like, a reality TV show? But with writers instead of singers and topless models? In Paris? Except it's not on the telly and George works in the Paris Ritz as a 'plongeur', and "Homage To Catalunya", his account of his service with the International Brigade, knee deep in vermin, fighting the vermin fascist bastards of Franco's junta in Barcelona 1936. Book is a LION of non fiction. Prose is frightening, intoxicatingly readable and blood red with humanity, thin as paper and fragile as glass. George Orwell was not afraid to roll his sleeves up.

Cult of Orwell, I'm gonna start. Be great.

What I meant to say was this: Sorry for being all militant, earlier. Sneering about vegans. The aliens in the film "Contact" are vegans and they can do time travel so that's all fair enough. Least said soonest mended.....How about we play a game of rock and roll cliche? It's easy to play. Just say a rock and roll cliche. Good game for anoraks to confront the true scale of their anoraksia. Here's some examples to start us off:

Lennon wrote the words mostly and McCartney did the tunes.

the difficult third album

Have you heard a busker play it? There: Not a good song, then!

No, I don't think it's our "worst" album. It's different, certainly. I think it will be appreciated more in the future.

The Grateful Dead were so out of it all the time, they didn't KNOW all those shows were 16 hours long, or all those albums didn't have proper music on.....

musical differences..nervous exhaustion..the 'breakthrough gig' and the tedium of Glasto rituals ("Ever since we've been playing the main or 2nd stage, I nip out and have a piss over Noel Gallagher before going on, and we've always been blindin'....")


Can you do any? If this catches on, people will be offering 'rock and roll cliche games' as an answer, in't future, like! Spooky, eh? These go up to eleven....

PS Hi RubyGirl! Wasn't just ignoring you and shouting at the moon like an idiot. (Actually, I was shouting at the moon like an idiot, but not ignoring you.) Glad to hear you're happy and cool. That's all we need, really. You do yoga, then? Cool. I couldn't do yoga, I don't think, as I've not got a leotard.

Only jokin' :)

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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby Noonan McKane » Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:28 am

elko wrote:
Cracked Pleasures wrote:Meanwhile I have made the switch from vegetarianism to veganism. I was lacto ovo vegetarian since I was 6 years old (and never liked cheese, for the record) and after 21 years decided to totally remove dairy from my menu. You could say my timing was unlucky in this winter :) but it is easier than it sounds. Granted, I never ate cheese with pleasure, but the hard parts are ignoring the Indian take away (all those curries contain butter), ice cream (contains milk unless it is sorbet) and pancakes (contains butter and sometimes cream). But, the feeling that I am doing what I think is morally right, helps a lot and I am so far resisting those dairy orientated plates with relative ease. I discovered a vegan restaurant which has excellent couscous, beans and vegetable dishes, and delicious vegan soups.


Nice! I have been vegan for maybe three or four months. You are right - it is much easier than people seem to imagine. The general response from the uninitiated seems to be "what do you eat?", to which the simple answer is....pretty much everything, expect for animal derived stuffs. Most Indian restaurants here are vegan (it's a way of life in a large part of India), and Chinese is okay too, except for egg fried rice and that kinda thing (assuming you love tofu as I do). The worst in fact is European food, especially on the continent it is very meat-centric, and the veggie option, if there is one, usually contains a dozen types of cheese.

Hullo Noonan. Are you of the opinion that the government actually needs to control these banks or at least use their shares to direct them, rather than the "arm's length" policy that have at the moment?

Elk, the government needs to completely control them, around about yesterday. Oh, if only our PM was a chap they used to call "Britain's most brilliant chancellor in a century"! Oh, wait...Today the Labour Party can not win the next election and is running out of tomorrows, and still we slump. Effing last thing you'd want anytime soon would be the Tory party. Doh.

You just keep yer head down and don't go throwing money around like confetti. Good quality, wedding standard confetti is very affordable, and is cut into wedding -themed shapes, like bells, horsehoes etc. Much more festive than money, which floats very poorly.

The recession doesn't really apply to us. We're special, see.
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby WordsAsOldAsSin » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:37 pm

Ah I didn't realise we had so many vegetarians and vegans in this forum, that's cool :)

Even though I'm not a vegetarian I do have respect for any one who is, I think it's so great when people are dedicated in what they believe in and don't let anyone or anything take them away from that.

I have to say though, trying to be vegetarian or vegan in Egypt is quite difficult. Most Egyptian food (actually 95%) has some sort of meat or animal product in it and it's sort of shocking to most people if you are a vegetarian here. (Just think back to that scene in 'My big Fat Greek Wedding' when Ian tells the Greek family that he's a vegetarian and you pretty much get the idea)

Another thing; I can't believe how badly the recession is affecting the UK, that really saddens me because i don't really understand how things got so bad. The recession has not hit Egypt yet but it's not like we have a great economy now so when it does hit Egypt....I'm expecting to see some real misery in this country.
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Re: THE HAILING FREQUENCY

Postby elko » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:08 am

Noonan McKane wrote:Explain to me the philosophy of veganism. Because I'm slow.

I dig that vegetarians don't want to eat meat. I'm supposing the theory is if they can convince the entire world to do same, no more cattle will be killed for food. Fine. Following so far, but worry about connotations of cattle species breeding unfarmed, essentially surrended to the 'wild' again, wandering onto the railway and road, unsure of their place in the 'food chain'...

Cows and sheep would be extinct inside 50 years.
Veganism, though: We couldn't milk them, either?! Hells bells. Then they'll be even easier for 3 badgers to chase, trap and eat!

I don't think it's particularly a 'moral' decision, to not eat meat. I'd have to disagree with M, over "It's not natural, normal or kind" Natural? It's only bleedin' Darwinism in it's rawest form, is all. It's actually 'nature'. In any given group of 100 wild minks, there aren't 8 or 10 of them who stand around going "Have you ever considered the agony a field mouse suffers when you bite it in half and give your babies the best bit? No you don't!!! Field mice are minks, too, you know!!!" There just aren't. And 'normal?' The alternatively lifestyled don't tend to bandy the 'N' word around much, usually. But among almost all of humankind, eating meat is as 'normal' as the clock going from 12 round to 12 again.

However, if it's a flag you feel you must gather under, I've made you up a slogan:

"BabyBel! Rot In Hell! And Camembaert And Brie As Well!!!"

You could picket school canteens, with placards saying "The Almighty Will Judge YOU, Whores Of Dairylea"..

Mmmm. That's good stuff. I could really shout for these guys......


I don't think you can say it's natural - what's natural about keeping thousands of cows or chickens cooped up so they can hardly move and giving them hormones so they produce literally cripplingly large amounts of milk, or keeping the lights on constantly so they don't sleep and so lay more eggs?

What's natural is eating for survival, i.e. a tribe hunting for the food they need, but we have no reason to kill for food. Letting cows back into a natural food chain or circle of life or whatever would be far more humane than what we currently put them through. And I don't think you can use animals as a substitute for human thinking - is rape natural?

There's a very convincing argument for veganism preventing climate change as well, although obviously that depends if you believe in it...
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