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Postby The Boy with a thorn in his side » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:46 pm

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Postby chicken » Fri Sep 02, 2005 10:56 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-The Boy with a thorn in his side+Sep 2 2005, 10:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Boy with a thorn in his side @ Sep 2 2005, 10:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> hmm yes I had thought of that, but 'm sure white people are looting, and footgae of people being rescued often features white people.
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it grieves me to say this, but i suspect you to be correct.
racism is alive and well in america, despite us touting tolerance peace and democracy.
in fact, i've a co-worker who is VERY racist, though subtly so. and before you jump to a conclusion, she's not caucasion.

for the record: new orleans is a predominantly black city. and the racial discrimination there has been more economic than anything.


i say let the looters have their fun for a week, leave them alone, and see what happens when they steal everything they want in a ruined city. what will they do then?
but alas *sigh* it is a poignant depiction of the state of affairs socially in some regions of this (fading more than ever now?) 'superpower' nation.
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Postby Still Ill » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:31 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-chicken+Sep 2 2005, 11:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (chicken @ Sep 2 2005, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> for the record: new orleans is a predominantly black city. and the racial discrimination there has been more economic than anything.


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Read chicken's point, before anyone goes off on a tangent here about the media's spin on the disaster. Not to say the media hasn't sensationalized the disaster, bad enough as it is already. It's been reported that the poorest with no available means to leave the city stayed behind to try to weather the storm. Those are the ones I feel sorry for the most, as I do think some people were foolish in not heeding the authority's mandatory evacuation. We tend to forget the rescuers who put their lives on the lines to save people.
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Postby chicken » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:44 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-Still Ill+Sep 2 2005, 11:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Still Ill @ Sep 2 2005, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-chicken+Sep 2 2005, 11:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (chicken @ Sep 2 2005, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> for the record:  new orleans is a predominantly black city.  and the racial discrimination there has been more economic than anything.


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Read chicken's point, before anyone goes off on a tangent here about the media's spin on the disaster. Not to say the media hasn't sensationalized the disaster, bad enough as it is already. It's been reported that the poorest with no available means to leave the city stayed behind to try to weather the storm. Those are the ones I feel sorry for the most, as I do think some people were foolish in not heeding the authority's mandatory evacuation. We tend to forget the rescuers who put their lives on the lines to save people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
RE: the poorest weathering the storm.
in like '92 or '93, when i was working at the boys home, i had to escort a lad to southern georgia for a funeral. the boy was rife with psychological pathology for good reason, and taught me A LOT about how to be a psychologist.
we visited his one remaining grandmother. no running water. chickens lived in the house with her. the boy was embarrased and i was shocked.

still ill, i agree---the underprivaleged are the ones who have truly paid the price.

and i'm cringing at the prospect--eventuality i fear--of hearing about a rescuer dying. what is it they get paid as opposed to a professional ball-player again?
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Postby Still Ill » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:16 am

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Don't get me started!

The policemen who put their lives on the line for the protection of its citizens will never get paid their worth. Won't get the respect either. Hm, but I hear firemen make lots of money in overtime due to their round-the-clock shifts-- good for them at least!
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Postby Mr-Shankly » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:37 pm

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and i'm cringing at the prospect--eventuality i fear--of hearing about a rescuer dying. what is it they get paid as opposed to a professional ball-player again? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is an issue on that over here aswell. The wages of most premiership footballers are just too high.
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Postby helmoz » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:22 pm

i thought that the reason most of the looters were black was because a lot of the poorest people in america are black, so they steal because they're poor... or maybe because all the rich people have left (maybe they had cars or planes they could leave in but the poor couldnt afford them, or maybe the poor people couldnt leave because they'd lose everything if their homes were destroyed, while the rich still have enough money in the bank) and it's only the poor who are left... i don't know, i've never been there or anything. but i do feel so sorry for those people anyway. also for poor people in general, especially in countries like america where there is a huge difference in wealth between the rich and the poor - the poor must feel even poorer when they see rich people in the same country as them.
same in some african countries, like there's one - i can't remember the name - but it's got this king who has like 13 wives or something and he buys them all expensive cars like rolls royces, and meanwhile most of his country live on less than a dollar a day. i think it's something like, 2 thirds of the population of that country live on less than 60 cents a day.
i cant really see why footballers, whether it's american football (which i totally hate, sorry to any americans here...) or good old british soccer football (the beautiful game), are paid so much either. i can understand people who do dangerous sports like boxing or F1 racing being paid a lot cos they risk their lives, or at least serious injury, but when has anyone died playing football?
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Postby Still Ill » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:23 pm

Apparently there's no spending/salary cap over there either. There's another debatable issue.
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Postby The Boy with a thorn in his side » Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:00 pm

While I really cannot stand Kanye West, this live appeal is very interesting, controversial and thought provoking (and quite funny too)
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Obviously I beleive in free speech, but there is a time and a place.

As for footballers, a good example is that Roy Keane gets paid 110 grand. PER WEEK. Thats more than a lot of people make in a year. Ridiculous.
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Postby elko » Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:16 pm

The things is, when footballers did have a maximum wage (the late 50's), the clubs made thousands (millions in todays money) off the players back, and they would still be getting the same as your average guy on the street. If millions of people will pay money to watch a person, why should they not get paid more money than most professions? All that I really dislike is the influence they have on millions of future footballers, who take their attitude as the way football should be played. That's because I follow the sport, and therefore I don't care about much else other than I enjoy watching and playing it.

I read the Kayne West thing with interest. I think he made something approaching a valid point, but I'm not sure that was the time.
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Postby helmoz » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:50 pm

theres an interesting article about the response to the hurricane here: <a href='http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1764115,00.html' target='_blank'>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1764115,00.html</a>
its quite long - 3 pages - but theres some interesting stuff there, like the levees that could have stopped the flooding needed to be maintained every year but weren't because money was being spent on the iraq war instead. it really looks like bush and co dont care about their own people.

oh, and totally unrelated, but i found this too: <a href='http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1763726,00.html' target='_blank'>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1763726,00.html</a> - roger waters (a former member of pink floyd) is leaving the UK in protest at the ban on fox hunting. i really dont understand it, why would anyone want to hunt foxes? dont they have anything better to do? its not worth leaving your country for!
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Postby Still Ill » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:10 am

-Kanye West threw out the race card when he proclaimed Bush hates black people.
A very ignorant statement, imo. Even Mike Meyer had a surprised look.

-The levees, even if completed, were never meant to hold back water on a cat 5 hurricane. Nothwithstanding that the money was taken from that project for the war in Iraq.

I'm not saying there couldn't have been a more efficient response in aid to the hurricane victims, but I don't see a reporter going to any of the FEMA people, or the National Guard, for example, to report the process they must go through to assemble the massive effort needed in order to get the help out to the people.

Yeah, I'm a little angry at the spin doctors who want to create more political drama. I'm just saying watch your source of information.

Also, ovverall, there is not that big an economical divide between the rich and the poor. It's amazing what the average middle-class person has. Of course, they're all up to their necks in debt.

A good friend once said to me that the reason that these new developments with bigger houses, and therefore smaller lawns exist, is because they work so hard, they don't have the time to mow their lawns. You'll never find another region in America where a good example of where the social/economical rat race exists than in Southern California. It's deplorable, but tolerable if you have your head in the right place.

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Postby chicken » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:42 pm

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so i spoke with someone today who had NO CLUE that new orleans is wiped out.

no idea a'tall.

enter the tragically ignorant american:
i'm happy driving my SUV that gets 5 mpg.
i love my starbucks, isn't it fabulous?
omg, did you hear about <<insert name of anorexic american female hollywood botox plastic surgery veteran star>> and <<insert name of narcissistic self-inflated american male hollywood silicon buttocks and hair-piece extrordinaire star>>?? they might get married!!
why is gasoline so expensive? oh well, my credit cards aren't max'd out yet, plus i have a new one coming in the mail.

though fictional, this isn't far from the truth.
i'm shocked. flabbergasted. furious. and ashamed for them.

and i wonder why people wonder how dubbya got re-elected.


and for the record: not a soul at my place of work, "an institution of higher learning" mentioned the one year anniversay of beslan.
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Postby helmoz » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:32 am

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so i spoke with someone today who had NO CLUE that new orleans is wiped out.

no idea a'tall.

enter the tragically ignorant american:
i'm happy driving my SUV that gets 5 mpg.
i love my starbucks, isn't it fabulous?
omg, did you hear about <<insert name of anorexic american female hollywood botox plastic surgery veteran star>> and <<insert name of narcissistic self-inflated american male hollywood silicon buttocks and hair-piece extrordinaire star>>?? they might get married!!
why is gasoline so expensive? oh well, my credit cards aren't max'd out yet, plus i have a new one coming in the mail.

though fictional, this isn't far from the truth.
i'm shocked. flabbergasted. furious. and ashamed for them.

and i wonder why people wonder how dubbya got re-elected.


and for the record: not a soul at my place of work, "an institution of higher learning" mentioned the one year anniversay of beslan. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i know people like that over here, not just in america, who go on about celebrities' love lives, plastic surgery, etc, like its really important or something... its not really any of our business tho. there are so many magazines full of this stuff - heat, it's hot (OK's version of heat), loads of downmarket gossip rags, all the same, all trying to mimic heat... i mean it was sad anough when it was just hello and ok but now we've got all these cheap trashy paparazzi ones too, and theyre just encouraging this sort of know-everything-about-so-called-celebrities-private-lives thing... so you end up with kids who dont know what global warming is or what the beslan siege was all about, but they do know where victoria beckham goes shopping and how to stalk her. it is amazing how ignorant some people are.
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Postby rubygirl » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:08 pm

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so i spoke with someone today who had NO CLUE that new orleans is wiped out.

no idea a'tall.
and i wonder why people wonder how dubbya got re-elected.

and for the record:  not a soul at my place of work, "an institution of higher learning" mentioned the one year anniversay of beslan. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it is amazing how ignorant some people are.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Many people prefer to keep their heads deep into the sand...The "Better living through denial" kind of thing <!--emo&:ph34r:-->Image<!--endemo-->

And I often meet people - young people especially - who are not ignorant, they know a lot - but are so incredibly cynical and keen to declare how they don't care at all, how nothing really concerns them, how the fate of others and of the world is not their business at all...I find this tendency utterly worring, it's just another form of denial of course.
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