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Postby elko » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:22 pm

Yeah, it not on the original (UK) release, but when the single became something of a success in the US it was added to the release over there. The WEA CD release for some reason went with the US tracklisting over the original one.

It fits in, in that it uses studio techniques in a similar way to MIM, whereas Hatful... is obviously pretty sparse for the most part. But the album seems to work better without it, and personally I think most albums are too long anyway. Forty minutes is plenty enough for me.
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Postby chrisarclark » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:03 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-elko+Aug 17 2005, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (elko @ Aug 17 2005, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It fits in, in that it uses studio techniques in a similar way to MIM, whereas Hatful... is obviously pretty sparse for the most part. But the album seems to work better without it, and personally I think most albums are too long anyway. Forty minutes is plenty enough for me. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah, if an album is too long it can really bring it down (thats a big reason why the compilations, Hatful Of Hollow, The World Won't Listen and especially Louder Than Bombs, dont work nearly as well the albums), but with Meat Is Murder still comes in under 50min and thats well within a proper/suitable range. when an album is less than 10 tracks and under 40min though it juste feels incomplete or missing something. without "How Soon Is Now?", the album lacks a proper pivot.

Southpaw Grammar is an album in Morrissey's solo career that suffers mightily from not so much a short running time, but a short tracklisting. ifeel the length of an album no so much in the overall running time but in the number of tracks- the number of stories. 10-14 is the best, easiest to swallow range and if we're talkin bout a pop or rock record 10-14 tracks will invariably end up in 35-65min and thats fine with me.
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Postby Mr-Shankly » Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:11 pm

Handsome Devil. I've always found it rather catchy.
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Postby Still Ill » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:59 am

<!--QuoteBegin-chrisarclark+Aug 16 2005, 09:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (chrisarclark @ Aug 16 2005, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Barbarism Begins At Home" ifind to be overrated by many.  its an exciting track and if it catches me in the right mood ill absolutely lov it, but it carries on far too long for its redundant nature.  and idont find the music backs up the seriousness of the lyric's subject (if you wish to take it seriously which ibelieve was the intention).  that bass line and guitar are pretty hammed up.  ifnid it to be one of the few Smiths songs you can definitely point at as being flawed.  once you get over that it can still be very enjoyable, but id never consider it amongst their best.

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This song used to be played in underground clubs, it was danceable song, and hence a perfect length in that capacity. It's the kind of song that sounds best in that type of atmosphere, loud and not sitting. I've always felt it was an underrated song, compounded by the fact that it is less favoured by the fans. Pity it's such a highly sought single because of its limited release, rather than because the song itself.
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Postby tallulahtaurus » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:11 pm

Barbarism is a funky song and the lyrics and the music fit perfectly morrissey only says four lines the entire song....i find it so commendable that the smiths actually got into funk instead of just making songs that followed the same expected indie formula....I adore that song meself, well done to morrissey cos I can't imagine how hard it must have been to write any lyrics for such a diverse bit of music....

Girl Afraid is just the most adorable song...it deserves any and all attention it gets the guitar intro and the lyrics...the smiths were perfect on both fronts...

my great love will always be suffer little children and well i wonder too...superb and effortlessly moving stuff!!
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Postby WordsAsOldAsSin » Thu Aug 18, 2005 7:40 pm

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Postby Truman Capote » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:13 pm

Southpaw Grammar was always an underrated album, I think we should talk about the overrated ones too.
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Postby Supermercado » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:30 am

Accept Yourself (as close to a motivational song as Morrissey has ever crafted)
Is It Really So Strange
Never Had No One Ever
Paint A Vulgar Picture (my favourite Smiths song..)
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Postby elko » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:09 pm

Good choices, and welcome to the forum.
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Postby Boywiththethorninhisside » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:42 pm

Well I Wonder is simply beautiful, very melancholy and bittersweet.

As is Jeane. Even just me playing that to my friends on an acoustic guitar, the lyrics really caught their attention. Concise and yet very evocative.

Gotta love the song I named myself after on this forum too, one of the most uplifting tunes ever.
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Postby rubygirl » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:40 pm

<!--QuoteBegin-Boywiththethorninhisside+Aug 24 2005, 04:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Boywiththethorninhisside @ Aug 24 2005, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well I Wonder is simply beautiful, very melancholy and bittersweet.

As is Jeane. Even just me playing that to my friends on an acoustic guitar, the lyrics really caught their attention. Concise and yet very evocative.

Gotta love the song I named myself after on this forum too, one of the most uplifting tunes ever.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I cannot but agree with you! <!--emo&:P-->Image<!--endemo-->
I even had an awful dispute with my mother one time - over The Boy With A Thorn In His Side; I am always eager to defend this song against any criticism, it's simply sweet IMO.
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Postby helmoz » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:12 pm

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I even had an awful dispute with my mother one time - over The Boy With A Thorn In His Side; I am always eager to defend this song against any criticism, it's simply sweet IMO. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i agree, it's such a sweet, innocent-sounding song! i love it! <!--emo&:)-->Image<!--endemo-->
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Postby Pashernate_Lover » Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:18 am

Nowhere Fast is by far the bestestestest song ever!! But seriously, all Smiths songs are underrated because words just cannot do them justice and they aren't very well known. Well...they aren't very well known in California at least.
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Postby chicken » Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:06 pm

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pash, imagine how 'well known' they are in Kansas!!!


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Postby Pashernate_Lover » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:45 am

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