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Postby bernie brown » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:59 am

How good are the Arctic Monkeys ? Anything like The Smiths ? Was impressed to see a new album in at #5 on the NME poll.

Notable absences from the NME top 100 of all time...Dark Side of the Moon..
I rechecked to make sure I hadnt missed it. Can someone please explain. Surely it MUST rank highly...It still is one of THE most unique, intense and moving albums ever. Am I right in making the equation - No Floyd No radiohead ?

Seems like we've forgotten that our music is standing on the shoulders of some forgotten giants who totally re-arranged pop and rock into an art form to be taken seriously..surely dark Side is one of those landmark albums.

Also missing (and we're talking the top 100!!!) Sgt.Pepper. I know it's suffering a bit of a backlash at the moment as we all rediscover Revolver and I do love revolver more as an overall album though it does have one George dud "I want to tell you" ...but I'll take side 2 of Sgt Pepper just for A Day in the Life over all of the white album...and speaking of the white album..Over-rated :.... I adore Long Long Long, Happiness is a warm gun, Mother Natures Son, USSR, Julia....but someone has to say it..."There's some crap on the White album" So if it can rank so highly, though be so uneven, what happened to Sgt Pepper ??

Another little fave of mine was Making Movies - Dire Straits. Am I just getting too middle of the road now ? I would've liked to have seen that squeeze in.

Also over-rated, even though I've got them and they give me a laugh...The Streets...now I'd loved to have a pint or ten with the guy...but lyrically and sonically I just cannot rank them higher than Sgt Pepper..or do we have different standards for some kinds of music and not for others..?

I was personally pleased to see Kinks' Village Green Preservation Society make the top 30. One of my longtime faves.

So the question is .. should The Queen Is Dead have been #1 instead of The Stone Roses ?
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Postby thischarmingman » Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:20 pm

it's near impossible to make these lists really, to say one truly great album is better than another seems completely arbitrary; but even as a big smiths fans I don't think you could begrudge the stone roses taking number 1 spot- it is an incredible album. Re; things like mike skinner being in at the expense of pink floyd, I suppose they have to make some nod to their current readership and skew the list at least a bit in a contemporary way- also arctic monkeys. These lists change as things come back into fashion- as seen with joy division and the smiths in the last few years. I'd imagine if the list were made again in twenty years time 'dark side of the moon' would have more chance of having made a comeback than 'original pirate material' being on there again.
p.s. dire straits are much underrated
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Postby bernie brown » Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:19 am

Thanks for getting back on that thischarmingman. Yeah, I think there are some absolutely beautiful moments on Making Movies, and I remember that the album was a bit of a sleeper and came out of the blue after their second album had kind of flopped. I was walking past a house and heard this lovely guitar and piano wafting out of the front door. The owner told me who it was. I played the album for years.
Though I must say, it was a little weird going to finally see them in the mid 90's in Melbourne at concert number 16 (they did about 24 shows!!!) on their Australian tour. I wonder why it didnt quite feel special ?
You might think of some other classic albums that missed out. I'm keen to check out the Zombies album that was listed there.

And of course you are right about these lists. At what stage does the subjective take over from the objective, and how hard is it to be objective anyway ?

Another great album I have loved the past 2 years is Retriever by canadian Ron Sexsmith. Have you heard of him and of this album ? It is just soooo great I cant believe it hasnt found world fame and glory.
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Postby elko » Fri Feb 17, 2006 12:30 pm

The list, in full, for those who haven't seen it. With cynical comments- sorry.

1. The Stone Roses – The Stone Roses [no complaints, really.]
2. The Smiths – The Queen Is Dead [should be top]
3. Oasis – Definitely Maybe [good album, but ultimately it's retro.]
4. Sex Pistols – Never Mind The Bollocks… [personally can't stand it]
5. Arctic Monkeys – Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not. [a joke, i assume.]
6. Blur – Modern Life Is Rubbish [better than any beatles album?]
7. Pulp – Different Class [^see above]
8. The Clash – London Calling
9. The Beatles – Revolver
10. The Libertines – Up The Bracket
11. Radiohead – The Bends [okay.....computer?]
12. The Specials – The Specials
13. The Verve – A Northern Soul
14. David Bowie – Hunky Dory
15. Primal Scream – Screamadelica
16. Dexys Midnight Runners – Searching For The Young Soul Rebels
17. The Streets – Original Pirate Material
18. Franz Ferdinand – Franz Ferdinand
19. The Smiths – Strangeways Here We Come
20. The Beatles – Rubber Soul
21. Muse – Absolution [errr. WHAT?!]
22. Super Furry Animals – Radiator
23. New Order – Technique
24. Pet Shop Boys – Please
25. The Kinks – The Village Green Preservation Society
26. The Smiths – Hatful Of Hollow
27. Pj Harvey – Dry
28. Nick Drake – Bryter Later
29. Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin II
30. Suede – Suede
31. Massive Attack – Blue Lines
32. The Zombies – Odyssey And Oracle [geniunely pleased about this being here]
33. Coldplay - Parachutes [better than ok computer? ffs they nicked everything from radiohead and robbed it of substance]
34. The Jam – All Mod Cons
35. Radiohead – Ok Computer
36. The Beatles – The Beatles
37. Manic Street Preachers – The Holy Bible
38. Spritualized – Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space
39. Ride – Nowhere
40. Dizzie Rascal – Boy In Da Corner [one of only four black artists in the list]
41. Kate Bush – Hounds Of Love
42. The Jesus And Mary Chain – Psychocandy
43. The Rolling Stones – Exile On Main Street
44. Joy Division – Unknown Pleasures
45. The Streets – A Grand Don’t Come For Free
46. Pulp – His And Hers
47. The Libertines – The Libertines [BOTH libertines albums? and no sgt. peppers?]
48. Elastica – Elastica
49. The Who – My Generation
50. The La’s – The La’s
51. Billy Bragg – Talking To The Taxman About Poetry
52. Madness – One Step Beyond
53. The Rolling Stones – Let It Bleed
54. Morrissey – Vauxhall And I
55. Bloc Party – Silent Alarm [better than 61?]
56. Portishead – Portishead
57. The Cure – The Head On The Door
58. Suede – Dog Man Star
59. The Clash – The Clash
60. The Human League – Dare
61. Echo And The Bunnymen – Ocean Rain [should be top ten]
62. Saint Ettienne – Fox Base Alpha
63. David Bowie – Ziggy Stardust And The Spiders From Mars
64. Gang Of Four – Entertainment!
65. Radiohead – Kid A
66. Elvis Costello – This Years Model
67. Coldplay – A Rush Of Blood To The Head
68. The Pretty Things – Sf Sorrow
69. Roxy Music – For Your Pleasure
70. Spacemen 3 – The Perfect Prescription
71. Buzzcocks – Lovebites
72. Joy Division – Closer
73. Kaiser Chiefs - Employment [fuck off.]
74. Prodigy – Music For A Jilted Generation
75. Tricky – Maxinquaye
76. Cornershop – When I Was Born For The 7th Time
77. The Beta Band – The Three EP’s
78. Aphex Twin – Selected Ambient Works 85-92
79. Teenage Fanclub – Bandwagonesque
80. Black Sabbath – Paranoid
81. Antony And The Johnsons – I Am A Bird Now
82. Happy Mondays – Pills ‘N’ Thrills And Bellyaches
83. Wire – Pink Flag
84. Redskins – Neither Washington Nor Moscow
85. Abc – The Lexicon Of Love [absolute quality. underrated]
86. George Harrison – All Things Must Pass
87. Small Faces – Ogdens Nut Gone Flake
88. Underworld – Dubnobasswithmyheadman
89. Blur – Parklife
90. Supergrass – I Should Coco
91. The Fall – The Nations Saving Grace
92. Oasis – (What’s The Story) Morning Glory
93. Brian Eno – Here Come The Warm Jets
94. The Futureheads – The Futureheads [hahahahahahahahaha.]
95. Julian Cope – Jehovahkill
96. Adam And The Ants – Kings Of The Wild Frontier
97. Led Zeppelin – IV
98. Roots Manuva – Run Come Save Me
99. Patric Wolf – Lycanthropy
100. Derek And Clive – Live

Overall it's far too biased towards the 2000's, and also I think to the four skinny white guys with guitars idea (the top ten albums are all basically the same kind of music).
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Postby madmancmonkey » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:48 pm

From the albums I have heard

National front disco (Despite what has been said it is still a stomping tune)
Seasick yet still docked (Sad, epitomises the man in every way)
Its gonna happen someday (It will)
Let me kiss you (Heard it on a rail replacement coach and was touched!)
First of the gang (Great)
America is not the world (because, frankly, it isnt)
Lazy sunbathers (Skim-listened VAI last night for the first time and it stood out)
Suedehead (Magnifico)
Everyday is like sunday (for me it is)
Our Frank ( Becasue that is what Morrissey is - Frank and its a tune too)
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